Usa Forum - New deck for advice (Brujah bleed/Vote

Drago13

6/15/2010 7:37:00 PM

Hello, I'm a starting VTES player, and I'm currently trying to build a
tournament-level deck. But as I don't have a lot of deck-building
experience, I want to ask you for some advice/thoughts on how to make
this design better.

Deck Name: New Carthage Princes and Justicar.
Author: Drago_13
Description: Vote/Bleed Brujah deck with some Alastor/Assault rifle
for more "toolboxiness"

Crypt (13 cards; Capacity min=6 max=9 avg=7.62)
===============================================
3x Carlak 8 dom pot CEL PRE Brujah:5
4x Dmitra Ilyanova 9 obf CEL FOR POT PRE Brujah:5
3x Karen Suadela 7 obf pre CEL POT Brujah:5
3x Tara 6 cel POT PRE Brujah:5

Library (90 cards)
==================
Master (19)
3x Carthage Remembered
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
2x New Carthage
2x Obfuscate
1x Temptation of Greater Power
2x Vessel
6x Villein

Political Action (14)
2x Alastor
4x Conservative Agitation
8x Kine Resources Contested

Equipment (4)
1x .44 Magnum
1x Assault Rifle
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Helicopter

Action Modifier (32)
5x Aire of Elation
5x Bewitching Oration
4x Forgotten Labyrinth
6x Freak Drive
5x Into Thin Air
1x Iron Glare
6x Voter Captivation

Reaction (6)
6x Second Tradition: Domain

Combat (10)
6x Majesty
2x Pursuit
2x Torrent

Combo (5)
1x Force of Personality
4x Resist Earth's Grasp

18 Answers

suoli

6/15/2010 7:47:00 PM

On 15 kesä, 22:36, Drago13 <eduard.kep...@mf.vu.lt> wrote:
> Hello, I'm a starting VTES player, and I'm currently trying to build a
> tournament-level deck. But as I don't have a lot of deck-building
> experience, I want to ask you for some advice/thoughts on how to make
> this design better.

Needs Parity Shifts. Maybe an Entrancement or two.

ira212@gmail.com

6/15/2010 8:02:00 PM

On Jun 15, 12:36 pm, Drago13 <eduard.kep...@mf.vu.lt> wrote:
> Hello, I'm a starting VTES player, and I'm currently trying to build a
> tournament-level deck. But as I don't have a lot of deck-building
> experience, I want to ask you for some advice/thoughts on how to make
> this design better.
>
> Deck Name: New Carthage Princes and Justicar.
> Author: Drago_13
> Description: Vote/Bleed Brujah deck with some Alastor/Assault rifle
> for more "toolboxiness"
>
> Crypt (13 cards; Capacity min=6 max=9 avg=7.62)
> ===============================================
> 3x Carlak 8 dom pot CEL PRE Brujah:5
> 4x Dmitra Ilyanova 9 obf CEL FOR POT PRE Brujah:5
> 3x Karen Suadela 7 obf pre CEL POT Brujah:5
> 3x Tara 6 cel POT PRE Brujah:5
>
> Library (90 cards)
> ==================
> Master (19)
> 3x Carthage Remembered
> 3x Dreams of the Sphinx
> 2x New Carthage
> 2x Obfuscate
> 1x Temptation of Greater Power
> 2x Vessel
> 6x Villein
>
> Political Action (14)
> 2x Alastor
> 4x Conservative Agitation
> 8x Kine Resources Contested
>
> Equipment (4)
> 1x .44 Magnum
> 1x Assault Rifle
> 1x Heart of Nizchetus
> 1x Helicopter
>
> Action Modifier (32)
> 5x Aire of Elation
> 5x Bewitching Oration
> 4x Forgotten Labyrinth
> 6x Freak Drive
> 5x Into Thin Air
> 1x Iron Glare
> 6x Voter Captivation
>
> Reaction (6)
> 6x Second Tradition: Domain
>
> Combat (10)
> 6x Majesty
> 2x Pursuit
> 2x Torrent
>
> Combo (5)
> 1x Force of Personality
> 4x Resist Earth's Grasp

Cool deck idea, Drago13. Here are my suggestions:
1) Look in the Tournament Winning Deck Archive (TWDA) for similar
decks:
http://thelasombra.com/dec...

Since it seems like Dmitra is your main vampire, I searched for
"Dmitra" and looked at the decks I found. You could also search for
"New Carthage" or something else. You'll see cards and ideas that you
might not have considered. Give more credit to decks that have won
bigger tournaments.

2) Look at a list of all the cards that exist in the game, filtered by
what's important to your deck. Maybe you don't own that card, but you
can try to trade for it later, or use a substitute. For instance,
maybe you really want a Heart of the City, but you don't own it, so
you use a Camera Phone instead. Both are actions that give bonus
bleed. Later, if you get a Heart of the City, you can make the swap
in your deck, but Camera Phone will be a decent substitute. I like
this site: http://www.secretlib... I would look at all the
Brujah clan-specific cards, and other crypt cards with your discipline
preferences.

3) Ask for advice here. Nicely done! Here are my specific thoughts:
Crypt: You might want to diversify your crypt a little more, so you
have a greater chance of getting out more minions. Alternately, if
you like your crypt as it is, add 1-2 Wider View to your library so
you can be sure to get all 4 of your vamps eventually.

Library:
Do you have the right ratio of Masters/Actions/Action Mods/Reactions/
Combat? I think it's pretty good! I might increase the number of
Reactions, since you'll tend to have fewer vampires that other decks.
Also, 2nd Tradition is such a great card. I would go up to 10 of them
if you have them, and if not, just use On the Qui Vive or Wake with
Evening's Freshness instead.

Masters: I think you have a pretty good list here, but you might want
to add Masters that you see in some of those other decks. For
example:
Blood Doll (good for Carlak and Dmitra)
Archon Investigation (to burn big bleeders)
Giant's Blood (to fill up after a Villein)

I think you could probably cut 1-2 Carthage Remembered and 1-2 Dreams.

Actions:
These include Political Actions and any equipment - anything that will
cause your minion to tap. You don't want too many or too few. I
think 14 votes seems good, but you might want a little more diversity
to defend against Delaying Tactics. You can pick the right vote for
the right moment. Look at the other tournament winning decks and see
if the other votes seem good to you. Obviously top on the list should
be Parity Shift, though I'm not sure if you own any. You could also
consider Banishment. Ancilla Empowerment is good to do damage to the
whole table, and especially weenies, making it easier for you to oust
many people. I also like My Kin Against the World. Remember Dmitra
also has a built-in vote that's pretty good, so you should consider
that when calculating your total actions.

Other actions might be permanent combat improvements, like
Preternatural Strength or Heroic Might.

Action Mods:
Perhaps a little high here, but probably not bad. I would diversify
your stealth. I generally don't like Into Thin Air because the non-
replace cost is so high. I'd rather use Lost in Crowds. You could
also consider Cloak the Gathering or Veil the Legions. Other good
stealth cards include Faceless Night. Since you can't play more than
of the same action modifier on a single action, it's better to be
holding 1 Lost, 1 Faceless, and 1 Cloak, instead of 3x Lost, since you
can get to a higher total stealth with diverse cards.

I like Iron Glare for it's flexibility, so maybe a few more of those
instead of as many Bewitching or Aire.

I like a few Forced March instead of 6x Freak Drive.

Combat:
Looks pretty good, but could perhaps increase offensive potential with
more pursuits. Depends on how much fighting happens in your games.

I hope this helps,
Ira

Jeff Kuta

6/15/2010 8:08:00 PM

Wedge

6/15/2010 8:11:00 PM

adam.hulse@gmail.com

6/15/2010 8:28:00 PM

On Jun 15, 3:46 pm, suoli <suoliruse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 kesä, 22:36, Drago13 <eduard.kep...@mf.vu.lt> wrote:
>
> > Hello, I'm a starting VTES player, and I'm currently trying to build a
> > tournament-level deck. But as I don't have a lot of deck-building
> > experience, I want to ask you for some advice/thoughts on how to make
> > this design better.
>
> Needs Parity Shifts. Maybe an Entrancement or two.

Well since you are a new player I'm assuming you do not have Parity
Shift. (You may have entrancement)
But that is okay! You deck is not worse off for it, just different.

If you don't mind, I like analyzing this type of stuff so I'll give it
a shot. Maybe some others will chime in.

Deck Name: New Carthage Princes and Justicar.
Author: Drago_13
Description: Vote/Bleed Brujah deck with some Alastor/Assault rifle
for more "toolboxiness"

Assumption 1: You have all the cards stated, plus regular common
cards.
Assumption 2: You don't have parity shift

Crypt (13 cards; Capacity min=6 max=9 avg=7.62)
===============================================
3x Carlak 8 dom pot CEL PRE Brujah:5
4x Dmitra Ilyanova 9 obf CEL FOR POT PRE Brujah:5
3x Karen Suadela 7 obf pre CEL POT Brujah:5
3x Tara 6 cel POT PRE Brujah:5

Adam: Crypt is fine, but no real reason to go to 13 vamps. I would
drop a Carlak and a Tara and add one:
Reginald Moore 4 Cap PRE
Brujah
Primogen Group 4
Camarilla Primogen: Reginald gets +1 strength in combat with Tremere
and Tremere antitribu. He cannot block vampires of those clans or
attempt actions to enter combat with them.

Other interesting options as support:
Mukhtar Bey
Ubende
Stavros

Master (19)
3x Carthage Remembered
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
2x New Carthage
2x Obfuscate
1x Temptation of Greater Power
2x Vessel
6x Villein

Adam: Pretty good! Would probably drop one Carthage Remembered for a
Giant's Blood.

Equipment (4)
1x .44 Magnum
1x Assault Rifle
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Helicopter

Adam: Sure. No Ivory Bow? If just to contest?

Political Action (14)
2x Alastor
4x Conservative Agitation
8x Kine Resources Contested

Adam: Not bad. Would try to fit a Banishment or two in there. And one
brujah Justicar in case you don't draw Dmitri.

Action Modifier (32)
5x Aire of Elation
5x Bewitching Oration
4x Forgotten Labyrinth
6x Freak Drive
5x Into Thin Air
1x Iron Glare
6x Voter Captivation

Adam: You know, I try to think of decks where Into Thin Air is worth
it but the fact if you have to play it early in the turn and you don't
draw up is pretty bad. You can probably switch those 5 Into Thin air
into one of each type of obfuscate stealth card (they all have +1
stealth at inferior).

Either increase the number of Dmitri's (5) and change the freak drives
to Force marches (only one who can play it). Note: If you don't have
Forced March, Freak Drive is still good. If you don't I would take
them out for more 2nd traditions.

Also, you consider Approximation of Loyalty? 1-2 is good. Good against
Delaying tactics and can cycle at inferior as a seduction. Just watch
out for the order at Superior. Won' t be able to Voter cap.

Approximation of Loyalty
Action Modifier, 1 blood, Presence
Requires a vampire with capacity above 6.
[pre] Only usable when the action is announced. Choose a vampire with
capacity below 7 or an ally. That minion cannot block this action.
[PRE] Cancel a reaction card played by a vampire with capacity below 7
or an ally as it is played (no cost is paid). No more action modifiers
can be played on this action.

Reaction (6)
6x Second Tradition: Domain

Adam: See not about freak drive.

Combat (10)
6x Majesty
2x Pursuit
2x Torrent

Adam: Switch the Pursuit to Flash. Have gun. Use Flash to man long.
Press. Then use gun manuver.

Combo (5)
1x Force of Personality
4x Resist Earth's Grasp

Adam: Sure

Anyway, hope this helps. Deck looks pretty sound.
Adam Hulse
Prince of New York

Meej

6/16/2010 2:06:00 PM

On Jun 15, 3:36 pm, Drago13 <eduard.kep...@mf.vu.lt> wrote:
> Hello, I'm a starting VTES player, and I'm currently trying to build a
> tournament-level deck. But as I don't have a lot of deck-building
> experience, I want to ask you for some advice/thoughts on how to make
> this design better.

The only suggestion that occurs to me that I haven't already seen is
that it might be worthwhile to put a few Flurry of Action in, since at
CEL it's a bleed that untaps you afterward and leaves you free to
follow up with a vote. Probably not too many, but enough that the
possibility of an unexpected one-two punch when someone's shields are
down is in there. They might make sense in place of some of the Freak
Drives, which only Dmitra can use.

Other than that, it looks like it's off to a good start.

- D.J.

Drago13

6/16/2010 4:04:00 PM

Thank you all very much for your thoughts.

ira212@gmail.com

6/16/2010 8:52:00 PM

On Jun 16, 9:04 am, Drago13 <eduard.kep...@mf.vu.lt> wrote:
> Thank you all very much for your thoughts.

Also, if you have the time and inclination, you can test the deck on
JOL (http://deckserver.net...) or other sites. JOL takes a
little while to learn, but it can be worth it as a place to test and
practice decks.

Ira

Andrew McGrath

12/23/2011 10:24:00 AM

RichA wrote:
> In WW2, he'd be swinging from a rope.

By a Nazi.

--
AC

trotsky

12/23/2011 4:07:00 PM

On 12/22/11 9:31 PM, RichA wrote:
> In WW2, he'd be swinging from a rope.

You should kill him your own motherfucking self.

rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

New deck for advice (Brujah bleed/Vote

Drago13

suoli

ira212@gmail.com

Jeff Kuta

Wedge

adam.hulse@gmail.com

Meej

Drago13

ira212@gmail.com

Andrew McGrath

trotsky

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