On Jul 11, 5:04 pm, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 4:07 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks to Sharavi for the tip re this guy
>
> > THE ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN CONFLICT IN MEDICAL TERMS.
> > ALL ISRAELIS DREAM OF A PEACEFUL SOLUTION TO THE ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN
> > CONFLICT.
>
> > Perhaps, but the current Israeli administration can be said to be
> > holding out for a "peaceful solution" to the Palestinian conflict in
> > the form of a collapse of Palestinian nationalism and resistance.
>
> Twaddle. Israelis have been attempting to make peace for decades.
Lying propagandists pretend to "know" that and political idiots
support them. Within a month of the end of the Six Day War in 1967,
Israeli Zionists with their origins in totalitarian socialism and with
a 1947-50 history of massive ethnic cleansing began the process of
creeping annexation in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem. They
thought they didn't need any subterfuge for the Golan because they had
ethnically cleansed and annexed it straight-away in 1967. This vile
and lawless behavior was and remains precisely the opposite of "making
peace". In fact it makes peace impossible but that doesn't prevent the
Israelis from attempting to impose a pax Judicaica hoping that the
Palestinians will simply give up before the United States regains its
political courage and sanity.
It's
> only recently that it's sunk through their skulls that they never had
> a partner for peace, and they still don't have a partner for peace.
The truth is that Israel has been expanding illegally by war,
occupation and slightly softer violence since 1947. One can easily
find the maps in historical sequence on the web. They have been posted
here repeatedly in the past. Should someone wishing to assist me here
post the urls again I would appreciate it.
> > ALL ISRAELIS YEARN FOR PEACE. RECENT HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT WE WILL
> > BACK HUGE PAINFUL CONCESSIONS FOR PEACE, CONDITIONAL ON NOT
> > JEOPARDISING OUR SAFETY AND SECURITY.
>
> > Recent history shows quite the opposite.
>
> H imagines he can speak to history, recent or otherwise. It's amazing
> how delusional some people are.
True, indeed. Those who "speak to history" are deranged or at least
the ouija board types.
> > ALL ISRAELIS WANT TO REMOVE THE YOKE OF PALESTINE FROM THEIR BACKS.
Fool, Palestine isn't a yoke for the Israelis. The *occupation* of it
is. And it's destined to fail.
> > THE BURDEN OF PALESTINE IS MUCH TOO HEAVY. YET, GENEROUS CONCESSIONS
> > HAVE BEEN REJECTED BY THE OTHER SIDE AND THIS IS THE CRUCIAL POINT –
The crucial point is that "generous concessions" require Jewish
Zionists world-wide to declare that a settlement at the green line
will fulfill Zionist goals. They have never done that and their
behavior proves that they are still striving to grind the Palestinians
into dust in the effort to gain more irrespective of the price being
paid by the rest of us. That they have moved six hundred thousand Jews
to the West Bank proves that their talk of having offered generous
concessions is naught but damned lies.
> > IN THE NEGOTIATIONS WE ARE NOW DOWN TO THE NERVE ENDINGS WHERE FURTHER
> > CONCESSIONS BEGIN TO CUT INTO THE SINEWS AND VEINS THAT WILL KILL OR
> > ENDANGER THE SURVIVAL OF THE JEWISH STATE.
>
> > What negotiations? There are none and Israel has made no concessions
> > whatever.
>
> There are none because the opposing sides provide none.
>
> [snip H's gratuitous political advice on what Israel should do -- but
> not, of course, what the Pals should do]
>
> > FOR ISRAEL TO CONTINUE THIS LIFE THREATENING OPERATION WE NEED THE
> > INFUSION OF CONCESSIONS AND FLEXIBILITY FROM THE PALESTINIAN SIDE OF
> > THE OPERATING TABLE.
>
> > Your opponents are prepared to legitimize Israel's ethnic cleansing of
> > Palestine and the theft of its people's homeland in 1948 in exchange
> > for a recognized state of their own.
>
> There was no "ethnic cleansing" in 1948,
Liar. You know better. Maybe you don't really love the Israeli
historian Benny Morris after all. He admits the ethnic cleansing of
Palestine. He just calls it patriotic and necessary.
there was no theft of an Arab
> homeland,
Liar.
and the "recognized state" of "Palestinians" involves the
> destruction of Israel.
The refusal to recognize a Palestinian State is most likely to be the
end of Israel's chances for de jure recognition by its neighbors and
long term peaceful survival.
> >The fundamental problem is
>
> Beyond H's ken.
Gutless.
> > UNFORTUNATELY, ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS TO CUT DEEPER INTO OUR HEART AND
> > BODY AND END THE LIFE OF THE JEWISH STATE.
>
> > An appeal to pity. Your heart and body do not extend to the West Bank,
> > Gaza and the Golan Heights. They were taken illegally under
> > international law with great force and violence.
>
> Twaddle.
Evasive gutlessness.
> > MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING ISSUES ARE THE BODY. JERUSALEM IS THE HEART
> > AND SOUL. THAT, IN MEDICAL TERMS, IS THE STATE OF PLAY IN THE ISRAELI-
> > PALESTINIAN CONFLICT.
>
> > There is no moral or legal right by which Israel may claim all of
> > Jerusalem.
>
> There is, it's done,
The claim is fake, religious in nature, contrary to law and common
sense. That you describe it as "done" is a mere attempt to enshrine
criminal behavior.
and Jerusalem is what it has always been, the
> eternal capital of Am Yisrael.
You assert a religious doctrine to justify ethnic cleansings. There is
no legal doctrine to that end. This is really very interesting as the
world's Jews consist of variations on a single theme, religion. They
are not a nation but a faith.
The Fakestinians can have Silwan and
> Abu Tur, and call that their Jerusalem. They signed off on Jerusalem,
> anyway.
They're not giving up, sharavi. Nor would I were I one of them. You
have no claim to anything more than a Jewish home in Palestine. Learn
to live with your neighbors. Give up this fatal arrogance.
> > IT IS AT A CRITICAL LIFE THREATENING STATE WHERE THE MOTIVATION OF THE
> > PALESTINIAN SURGEON MUST BE CLINICALLY QUESTIONED.
>
> > Nonsense, sir. Ad hominem remarks are characteristic of your side of
> > this dispute.
>
> Coming from the Queen of Ad Hom, that's a rotflol.
All you have to do to generate intellectual respect here is to
seriously address the issues. You've given up on persuading your
audience. You know you simply can't prevail on the merits. The Israeli
case is too inhumane, too coarse and much too violent.
> > Your entire argument is actually based on a demand for special
> > treatment for Jews over all others in Palestine. It rests half on
> > balderdash and half on a plea for sympathy because the Holocaust. For
> > many reasons these inadmissible.
>
> > Hunter Watson
> > USA
>
> H deludes himself that he's actually addressing the author of the
> blog.
He knows me. Unlike you he's too smart to post my response on his
blog.
Apparently H didn't look any further. Had he done, he might have
> found the following gems:
>
> From Yunis Al-Astal, Muslim cleric and member of the "Palestinian"
> State Legislature, 11 May 2011, Al-Aqsa TV:
>
> “The Jews are brought in droves to Palestine so that the Palestinian,
> and the Islamic nation behind them, will have the honour of
> annihilating the evil of this gang.
On par with the Hasidic rabbis of the settlements.
All the predators, all the birds
> of prey, all the dangerous reptiles and insects, and all the lethal
> bacteria are far less dangerous than the Jews.
The same crap comes from your religious texts, probably worse.
>
> "In just a few years, all the Zionists and the settlers will realize
> that their arrival in Palestine was for the purpose of the great
> massacre by means of which Allah wants to relieve humanity of their
> evil.
>
> "When Palestine is liberated and its people return to it and the
> entire region, with the grace of Allah, will have turned into the
> United States of Islam, the land of Palestine will become the capital
> of the Islamic Caliphate, and all these countries will turn into
> states within the Caliphate. When this happens any Palestinian will be
> able to live anywhere because the land of Islam is the property of all
> Muslims.
Israel is to a large extent responsible for the creation of this crap.
It's pure Al Queda. Deep in your black heart you're disappointed that
he's dead.
> "Until this happens, we must reject all the resettlement plans,
> naturalization, or even reparations prior to the return of the
> refugees.”
>
> From the Hamas Charter:
>
> “Israel will exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it has
> obliterated others before it.
>
> "The day the enemies usurp part of Muslim land Jihad becomes the
> individual duty of every Muslim. In the face of the Jews usurpation,
> it is compulsory for the banner of Jihad to be raised.
>
> "The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight Jews and kill
> them. Then the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks
> and trees will cry out, ‘Oh Muslim! There is a Jew behind me. Come and
> kill him!’”
>
> PNC Charter:
>
> “The partition of Palestine in 1947 and the establishment of the State
> of Israel are entirely illegal.
>
> The Balfour Declaration and the Mandate of Palestine are deemed null
> and void.
> Israel is the instrument of the Zionist movement. Since the liberation
> of Palestine will destroy the Zionist presence and will contribute to
> the establishment of peace in the Middle East, the Palestinians look
> to the support of all progressive and peaceful forces in the just
> struggle for the liberation of their homeland. It requires all states
> to consider Zionism an illegitimate movement, to outlaw its existence,
> and to ban its operations.”
>
> Sara Awwadh Jaber of Hebron, "moderate" Palestinian, on Al Aqsa TV:
>
> "I lived through the massacre of the Jews in Hebron. We, the people of
> Hebron, massacred the Jews. My father massacred them and brought back
> some stuff. Allah willing, you will bury Israel and massacre the Jews
> with your own hands. Allah willing, you will massacre them like we
> massacred them in Hebron."
>
> H merely brushes this attitude of, for the simple reason that he's as
> anxious as the Pals to see mounds of dead Jews.
>
> Deborah
Defend yourselves, Deborah, from the enemies of your own creation.
Stop dragooning us into it. If you don't like that idea, settle with
the Palestinians.