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Lord Xenu, My Apology, A Repost

Black Mamba

7/22/2006 3:22:00 AM


(SNIP)

This post vanished from my Newsgroup Reader so allow me to properly post
my response to what you said:

Lord Xenu wrote:

> If I were Claire and her husband, I'd frame my SP
> Declare and hand it over my mantle as it represents a
> proclamation of final and total freedom from the
> cult of Scientology that had used and abused them.


And Larry T. responded A.S.A.P.:


Well, Claire Swazey is one thing, and perhaps they did, they know if
they did or not. It might be hanging over her fireplace. God forbid if she
takes it over to her friends apartments and uses it as an ice breaker {to
start up a conversation with people over something, or something
like that}. If Claire were my friend and she did that to me, OK, there would
not be a "You are not welcome here" sign posted on the door, and she would
get the ARC she deserves but you have to admit, SP declares are a rather
outre' topic.

--
http://mysite.verizon.ne...
Larry


(SNIP)


10 Answers

'Bubba'

7/22/2006 3:36:00 AM

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X-No-Archive: Yes

"Larry T." <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:rRgwg.83$V41.46@trndny08...
>
> (SNIP)
>
> This post vanished from my Newsgroup Reader so allow me to properly
> post my response to what you said:
>
> Lord Xenu wrote:
>
>> If I were Claire and her husband, I'd frame my SP
>> Declare and hand it over my mantle as it represents a
>> proclamation of final and total freedom from the
>> cult of Scientology that had used and abused them.
>
>
> And Larry T. responded A.S.A.P.:
>
>
> Well, Claire Swazey is one thing, and perhaps they did, they know if
> they did or not. It might be hanging over her fireplace.

I was being facetious...sort of.

>God forbid if she takes it over to her friends apartments and uses it as
>an ice breaker {to start up a conversation with people over something, or
>something
> like that}.

Never suggested that she/they should.

> If Claire were my friend and she did that to me, OK, there would not be a
> "You are not welcome here" sign posted on the door, and she would get the
> ARC she deserves but you have to admit, SP declares are a rather
> outré topic.

I am sure that is true that they would be a bizzare topic. My response was
more specifically aimed at Babbles' posting of the Swazey's SP Declare as if
it were something to be ashamed of. My feeling is that it isn't; leaving the
cult is a triumph of the intellect over ignorance and of courage over
trepidation.

In Enturblation & Entheta,

Your Friendly Galactic Overseer
¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·-> Lord Xenu © <-·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯
=========================================
"Those who gathered to find out about the
copyright infringement dispute found out shortly
that Scientology® wasn't just a wacky cult, but
a vicious and criminal totalitarian organization
posing as a church despite having the ethics of
a shark and the level of spirituality usually associated
with a crack cocaine dealer." --- ptsc
=========================================
http://ww...
http://www.ront...
http://ww.../archive/world_without/
http://www.whyareth...
http://www.le...
http://www.tor...
http://www.scientology-...
http://mysite.verizon.ne...
http://www....
======================


Black Mamba

7/22/2006 3:53:00 AM

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"Lord Xenu" <xenu.overlord@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:r3hwg.569$Qx4.437@fe02.lga...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> "Larry T." <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote in message
> news:rRgwg.83$V41.46@trndny08...
>>
>> (SNIP)
>>
>> This post vanished from my Newsgroup Reader so allow me to properly
>> post my response to what you said:
>>
>> Lord Xenu wrote:
>>
>>> If I were Claire and her husband, I'd frame my SP
>>> Declare and hand it over my mantle as it represents a
>>> proclamation of final and total freedom from the
>>> cult of Scientology that had used and abused them.
>>
>>
>> And Larry T. responded A.S.A.P.:
>>
>>
>> Well, Claire Swazey is one thing, and perhaps they did, they know if
>> they did or not. It might be hanging over her fireplace.
>
> I was being facetious...sort of.
>
>>God forbid if she takes it over to her friends apartments and uses it as
>>an ice breaker {to start up a conversation with people over something, or
>>something
>> like that}.
>
> Never suggested that she/they should.
>
>> If Claire were my friend and she did that to me, OK, there would not be a
>> "You are not welcome here" sign posted on the door, and she would get the
>> ARC she deserves but you have to admit, SP declares are a rather
>> outré topic.
>
> I am sure that is true that they would be a bizzare topic. My response was
> more specifically aimed at Babbles' posting of the Swazey's SP Declare as
> if it were something to be ashamed of. My feeling is that it isn't;
> leaving the cult is a triumph of the intellect over ignorance and of
> courage over trepidation.
>
Lord Xenu:

It has been written that Barbara Schwarz has a kind of built in angst
towards Claire Swazey. So whereas you may have already guessed, this does
not phase Claire all that much, however it phases Barbara.


--
http://mysite.verizon.ne...
Larry



> In Enturblation & Entheta,
>
> Your Friendly Galactic Overseer
> ¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·-> Lord Xenu © <-·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯
(
SNIP)


'Bubba'

7/22/2006 4:11:00 AM

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X-No-Archive: Yes

"Larry T." <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote in message
> "Lord Xenu" <xenu.overlord@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>> "Larry T." <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote in message
>>>
>>> (SNIP)
>>>
>>> This post vanished from my Newsgroup Reader so allow me to properly
>>> post my response to what you said:
>>>
>>> Lord Xenu wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I were Claire and her husband, I'd frame my SP
>>>> Declare and hand it over my mantle as it represents a
>>>> proclamation of final and total freedom from the
>>>> cult of Scientology that had used and abused them.
>>>
>>>
>>> And Larry T. responded A.S.A.P.:
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, Claire Swazey is one thing, and perhaps they did, they know if
>>> they did or not. It might be hanging over her fireplace.
>>
>> I was being facetious...sort of.
>>
>>>God forbid if she takes it over to her friends apartments and uses it
>>>as an ice breaker {to start up a conversation with people over something,
>>>or something
>>> like that}.
>>
>> Never suggested that she/they should.
>>
>>> If Claire were my friend and she did that to me, OK, there would not be
>>> a "You are not welcome here" sign posted on the door, and she would get
>>> the ARC she deserves but you have to admit, SP declares are a rather
>>> outré topic.
>>
>> I am sure that is true that they would be a bizzare topic. My response
>> was more specifically aimed at Babbles' posting of the Swazey's SP
>> Declare as if it were something to be ashamed of. My feeling is that it
>> isn't; leaving the cult is a triumph of the intellect over ignorance and
>> of courage over trepidation.
>>
> Lord Xenu:
>
> It has been written that Barbara Schwarz has a kind of built in angst
> towards Claire Swazey. So whereas you may have already guessed, this does
> not phase Claire all that much, however it phases Barbara.

Well, I think, that among women (in general) there is a sort of odd _animus_
or, as a friend once put it, every other woman is every other woman's worst
enemy. I know I have experienced this in my own life, with my girlfriends
other women in general.

Although, Babbles is less a woman and more a seething pit of hatred, rage,
lonely anguish and delusion who strikes out at anyone and everyone who
doesn't support her in her delusions. Perhaps the reason that Babbles'
particular dislike of Claire is magnified simply due to the fact that Claire
is intelligent, articulate and has a husband who loves and cares for her.
That is something Babbles only has in her feverish, desperate imagination; a
contrived 'romance' with a man she has never met or known and does not care
to know her.

As much as I lambaste Barbara, I really wish she would get some help and get
her back to clear cut, objective reality. Maybe she should take up Zinj's
suggestion for ex-Scientologist's and take up bowling? :-)

In Enturblation & Entheta,

Your Friendly Galactic Overseer
¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·-> Lord Xenu © <-·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯
=========================================
"Those who gathered to find out about the
copyright infringement dispute found out shortly
that Scientology® wasn't just a wacky cult, but
a vicious and criminal totalitarian organization
posing as a church despite having the ethics of
a shark and the level of spirituality usually associated
with a crack cocaine dealer." --- ptsc
=========================================
http://ww...
http://www.ront...
http://ww.../archive/world_without/
http://www.whyareth...
http://www.le...
http://www.tor...
http://www.scientology-...
http://mysite.verizon.ne...
http://www....
======================


Zinj

7/22/2006 4:30:00 AM

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In article <JAhwg.2401$T95.310@fe05.lga>,
xenu.overlord@gmail.com says...

<snip>

> As much as I lambaste Barbara, I really wish she would get some help and get
> her back to clear cut, objective reality. Maybe she should take up Zinj's
> suggestion for ex-Scientologist's and take up bowling? :-)

As 'games' go, it makes 'really big games' like Scientology look
like tiddley winks, since one actually *gets to knock over
pins!!!*, and, for those enamored of 'group' projects; nothing
compares to the soap opera of 'Keeping the KingPins Working' in
league play.

It's cheaper too.
It doesn't require 'disconnection'.
Nobody takes the ecclesiastical 'head' of a bowling league
seriously (or has to) and,

the shoes may stink; but the philosphy doesn't.

Zinj

Zinj

7/22/2006 4:59:00 AM

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In article <iihwg.60$lq2.14@trndny03>, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx
says...

<snip>

> Lord Xenu:
>
> It has been written that Barbara Schwarz has a kind of built in angst
> towards Claire Swazey. So whereas you may have already guessed, this does
> not phase Claire all that much, however it phases Barbara.


Maybe you'd like to explain your early, horrifically repulsive
attacks against Ida and Kristi Wachter Larry.

And some others. (although they were all female)

Maybe you are what you claim to be, unlikely as that seems, but,
merely revamping Larry DuJour to better suit your cover story
isn't really selling it to me :)

I'm cursed with memory and skepticism.

Zinj

idaj007

7/22/2006 5:30:00 AM

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Zinj wrote:
> In article <iihwg.60$lq2.14@trndny03>, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx
> says...
>
> <snip>
>
> > Lord Xenu:
> >
> > It has been written that Barbara Schwarz has a kind of built in angst
> > towards Claire Swazey. So whereas you may have already guessed, this does
> > not phase Claire all that much, however it phases Barbara.
>
>
> Maybe you'd like to explain your early, horrifically repulsive
> attacks against Ida and Kristi Wachter Larry.
>
> And some others. (although they were all female)
>
> Maybe you are what you claim to be, unlikely as that seems, but,
> merely revamping Larry DuJour to better suit your cover story
> isn't really selling it to me :)
>
> I'm cursed with memory and skepticism.
>
> Zinj

I too am cursed with memory AND skepticism.
As for B Schwaz they pulled areally dirty trick on her when they sent
her to RPF over in Europe.. Not a decent way to treat a human being .
The cult realized then they could use her til her fingers would no
longer find the keys on the computers at the library.

As for Larry T-- just a guy who likes to think he is important enough
for any one
to take notice. He really needs a friend but you have to be one to
have one.

Ida C

"You must have crossed the river to tell the crocodile he has bad
breath"
Chinese proverb

Ball of Fluff

7/22/2006 5:59:00 AM

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"Lord Xenu" <xenu.overlord@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:r3hwg.569$Qx4.437@fe02.lga...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> "Larry T." <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote in message
> news:rRgwg.83$V41.46@trndny08...
>>
>> (SNIP)
>>
>> This post vanished from my Newsgroup Reader so allow me to properly
>> post my response to what you said:
>>
>> Lord Xenu wrote:
>>
>>> If I were Claire and her husband, I'd frame my SP
>>> Declare and hand it over my mantle as it represents a
>>> proclamation of final and total freedom from the
>>> cult of Scientology that had used and abused them.
>>
>>
>> And Larry T. responded A.S.A.P.:
>>
>>
>> Well, Claire Swazey is one thing, and perhaps they did, they know if
>> they did or not. It might be hanging over her fireplace.
>
> I was being facetious...sort of.
>
>>God forbid if she takes it over to her friends apartments and uses it as
>>an ice breaker {to start up a conversation with people over something, or
>>something
>> like that}.

Well, I should have framed it...never got around to it.

But, yes, I'm well-not so much proud as- glad/// Glad that I did what I
needed to do.

This may sound odd to some, I don't know- but I really really resisted the
idea of leaving and/or being expelled even after I figured out what was
going on in CofS. I still liked a lot of parts of the Scn philosophy (I know
a lot of people here most emphatically do NOT and that's ok) and people kept
telling me I could study it anywhere, without CofS, if I still was
interested in Scn.

But I felt an emotional attachment to CofS and thought "wouldn't it be great
if I could kind of agitate for reform from within?" and I thought that it
would be good if they had members who know the problems. And I don't mean
"oh everything written by Hubbard was peachy keen, it's just the way it's
being applied nowadays that's the problem." I mean the problems within the
philosophy itself, things CofS does not tell people about Hubbard that he
did and said, and, yes, all the stupid and mean (and illegal, too, some of
it) crap CofS pulls on its members.

I've been reading way too much medieval history. I was thinking Reformation.
The Magna Carta. The Peasant's Rebellion (and they were squashed like so
many bugs,weren't they!).

So anyway, I finally went "fuck it. You people piss me off. It's one thing
to be strict and occasionally crazy but mean and contemptuous to the very
people from whom you want time and money? What am I doing here?"

So that prompted me to walk away a year before the expulsion.

The expell/declare had/has a ton of lies in it. It's a pretty stupid
document but this is what they always do. They beef those things up and
throw in whatever they can.They act like a bunch of Communists who revise
history books and send people to reeducation camps and scream at them every
five seconds.

It seems very far away to me now that I worried so much and felt so hurt
about having to make that decision.

Right now, I'm not doing any auditing or courses at all. I'm doing
Yoga-though just the poses/asanas right now. And I've just ordered a book on
Buddhism that came highly recommended to me.

I like things I've studied that worked for me but I see no reason to limit
myself to ~just~ those things.

Yeah, I don't use either (yes, it happened twice. First time for leaving
staff without permission, even though I sucked up like a vacuum cleaner,
practically. Shouldn't have come back, but life is for learning.) expulsion
as a conversation piece. Most of my friends are vaguely aware that I used to
be in CofS and sometimes write stuff on forums, but we mainly talk about
plain ol' living when we get together. The Scn stuff comes up once in a
while but it's pretty far down the list of conversational subjects.

Tomorrow I'm going to a BBQ. I'm going to make my really great from scratch
apple pie with brandy soaked raisins, as my contribution.
I doubt very much that we'll be discussing Scn, there.

I'd say that I wish you guys could be there- 'cuz that would be a lot of
fun- but that would mean I'd be making a whole lot of pies. It takes a while
to peel all those apples...I don't know if I could deal with that...

;->

C




Zinj

7/22/2006 6:26:00 AM

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In article <12c3fm4iojchnf9@corp.supernews.com>,
getoffmyass@fluffentology.com says...

<snip>

> It seems very far away to me now that I worried so much and felt so hurt
> about having to make that decision.
>
> Right now, I'm not doing any auditing or courses at all. I'm doing
> Yoga-though just the poses/asanas right now. And I've just ordered a book on
> Buddhism that came highly recommended to me.

It's not surprising to me, since Scientology is *not* just the
'philosophy', but the *political movement* that warted out of
it.

Bad juju information virus growing into ugly skin thingy.

If Scientology had never had 'keeping scientology working' and
the Doomsday Ruin intended to justify the lies and murder and
abuse etc....

Well; we wouldn't be here.

But; it did. And we are.

If Scientology was *only* a 'Tech' intended to give the victim
actual 'control' over his own perception of his life...

Well, it would be no worse than any number of other auto-
hypnotic 'affirmation' based newage 'therapies' based on 'All
Hail Placebo Effect!' (like Kevin loves)

As it happens, however, Scientology was just the first stage of
a newage (pronounced to rymne with 'sewage') missle intended to
gain control over all so unwary as to fall for it.

Because; although The Tech is hypnotic, and it is 'auto-
hypnotic', by design there is a hagfish in the wings, ready to
jump in and exploit the 'state'.

Keeping Scientology Working is the most honest piece of
Scientology Tech; and, any 'Tech' that excludes it is *not*
Scientology.

The 'Church' or Hubbard would certainly agree with me.
As would most 'Scientologists'.

It's the nature of the beast.

But, on another level; it may seem strange, but, I'd suggest
that you look at Castaneda's stuff.

Not because I don't know he's a fraud, or that I think you need
to begin pounding in the peyote or shrooms...

But because some of his 'Tech' dealing with 'dreaming' is
incredibly effective.

Personally, I think it was around 'The Eagle's Gift' that I
decided that the kind of abandonment of all human 'care' was
further than I thought desirable.

But, naturally, that's also known and necessary in buddhism; so,
it wasn't that.

I do know that Don Genaro's tale of 'The Road To Ixtlan' has
always spoken to me and still does.

Whether Don Genaro exists or not.
Whether Carlos is a fraud or not.

I've tried some of the 'exercises' used in 'dreaming', such as
'look at your hands', and, 'it works for me' :)

But, I'm sane enough to know that *anything* you do will most
likely show results; if you care enough to try it.

However; in 'remembering dreams', the instructions given for
agiering in dreams work. You can't try to 'remember' directly;
it's all about shifting eyes and *not* concentrating.

Anyway; I'm just saying that there are probably a *million* ways
to do a thousand things and sometimes it *does* make sense to
just try them... but
always always always be careful about who's defining the playing
field

Because, the human mind is *incredibly* suggestible.

Zinj

Barbara Schwarz

7/22/2006 6:46:00 AM

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Larry T. wrote:
> "Lord Xenu" <xenu.overlord@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:r3hwg.569$Qx4.437@fe02.lga...
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
> >
> > "Larry T." <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote in message
> > news:rRgwg.83$V41.46@trndny08...
> >>
> >> (SNIP)
> >>
> >> This post vanished from my Newsgroup Reader so allow me to properly
> >> post my response to what you said:
> >>
> >> Lord Xenu wrote:
> >>
> >>> If I were Claire and her husband, I'd frame my SP
> >>> Declare and hand it over my mantle as it represents a
> >>> proclamation of final and total freedom from the
> >>> cult of Scientology that had used and abused them.
> >>
> >>
> >> And Larry T. responded A.S.A.P.:
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, Claire Swazey is one thing, and perhaps they did, they know if
> >> they did or not. It might be hanging over her fireplace.
> >
> > I was being facetious...sort of.
> >
> >>God forbid if she takes it over to her friends apartments and uses it as
> >>an ice breaker {to start up a conversation with people over something, or
> >>something
> >> like that}.
> >
> > Never suggested that she/they should.
> >
> >> If Claire were my friend and she did that to me, OK, there would not be a
> >> "You are not welcome here" sign posted on the door, and she would get the
> >> ARC she deserves but you have to admit, SP declares are a rather
> >> outré topic.
> >
> > I am sure that is true that they would be a bizzare topic. My response was
> > more specifically aimed at Babbles' posting of the Swazey's SP Declare as
> > if it were something to be ashamed of. My feeling is that it isn't;
> > leaving the cult is a triumph of the intellect over ignorance and of
> > courage over trepidation.
> >
> Lord Xenu:
>
> It has been written that Barbara Schwarz has a kind of built in angst
> towards Claire Swazey. So whereas you may have already guessed, this does
> not phase Claire all that much, however it phases Barbara.

Angst of Claire Swazey? Are you drunk of what? She is a hostile dwarf.


Barbara Schwarz (Looking for the original Mark [Marty] Rathbun. No
impostor, please!)

http://www.thunderstar.net/~schwarz/lrh/fb...
--
(I am concerned about Dave Touretzky's activities. He also has bomb
instructions on the net.)
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/e...

Brian J. Bruns aka Burns plays a "cop" on the net but he is a felon
(computer crimes), a spammer, an anti-free speech activist, and the
abusive AHBL website is his. He lies about me on his website. He is the
abuser and is supported by Korey Jerome Kruse ("Lord Xenu", "Simkatu"
or "Vivaldi") who just came out of jail and is, according to the
courts, an habitual offender.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/70fdd710bf99c37a?dmode=source...

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&q=%22Korey+Jerom...

Barbara Schwarz

7/22/2006 6:48:00 AM

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idaj007@aol.com wrote:
> Zinj wrote:
> > In article <iihwg.60$lq2.14@trndny03>, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx
> > says...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Lord Xenu:
> > >
> > > It has been written that Barbara Schwarz has a kind of built in angst
> > > towards Claire Swazey. So whereas you may have already guessed, this does
> > > not phase Claire all that much, however it phases Barbara.
> >
> >
> > Maybe you'd like to explain your early, horrifically repulsive
> > attacks against Ida and Kristi Wachter Larry.
> >
> > And some others. (although they were all female)
> >
> > Maybe you are what you claim to be, unlikely as that seems, but,
> > merely revamping Larry DuJour to better suit your cover story
> > isn't really selling it to me :)
> >
> > I'm cursed with memory and skepticism.
> >
> > Zinj
>
> I too am cursed with memory AND skepticism.
> As for B Schwaz they pulled areally dirty trick on her when they sent
> her to RPF over in Europe..

Lol. I never was in the RPF in Europe. You are sucking stuff out of
your fingers, Ida.

Barbara Schwarz (Looking for the original Mark [Marty] Rathbun. No
impostor, please!)

http://www.thunderstar.net/~schwarz/lrh/fb...
--
(I am concerned about Dave Touretzky's activities. He also has bomb
instructions on the net.)
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/e...

Brian J. Bruns aka Burns plays a "cop" on the net but he is a felon
(computer crimes), a spammer, an anti-free speech activist, and the
abusive AHBL website is his. He lies about me on his website. He is the
abuser and is supported by Korey Jerome Kruse ("Lord Xenu", "Simkatu"
or "Vivaldi") who just came out of jail and is, according to the
courts, an habitual offender.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/70fdd710bf99c37a?dmode=source...

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&q=%22Korey+Jerom...