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Re: BUSH/CHENEY: PUPPETS FOR HIDDEN GOVERNMENT

Ted

5/17/2007 12:36:00 AM

On May 16, 10:43 am, "sandman" <sand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sociopathic personalities gravitate toward politics, board rooms of
> corporations. Sociopaths (or psychopaths, as they are the same) are always
> good actors. And they are always ruthless and indifferent to human life.
> Scratch the surface of any politician and you will find a Bush/Cheney
> beneath.
>
> The "Surge" is nonsense. Bush/Cheney's orders are to prolong the war until
> the world-wide criminal syndicate consisting of the Int'l Bankers such as
> Rothschilds, Warburgs, and the Zionists both here and in Israel, has another
> war in place ready to go, whether it is Iran or Sudan. Bush/Cheney has no
> sense of national loyalty, but are globalists.
>
> There is no undertaking more profitable than war, and it is likely that the
> US/Zionists are supplying the "insurgents" to insure it's continuation, and
> prevent them from surrendering.
>
> The additional objectives are to drain the U.S. Treasury, and transfer the
> money held in private hands to them and the eventually acquire private
> property thru foreclosures, etc....
>
> The elections are a joke. The entire field of candidates are variations of
> Bush/Cheney.

Look at how the cheap labor lobby pushes for more immigration to keep
wages depressed.
Both major parties pander for this money.

ted
12 Answers

Jerry Okamura

5/17/2007 8:09:00 PM

0


"Ted" <tedorn44@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179362142.169922.191480@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 16, 10:43 am, "sandman" <sand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Sociopathic personalities gravitate toward politics, board rooms of
>> corporations. Sociopaths (or psychopaths, as they are the same) are
>> always
>> good actors. And they are always ruthless and indifferent to human life.
>> Scratch the surface of any politician and you will find a Bush/Cheney
>> beneath.
>>
>> The "Surge" is nonsense. Bush/Cheney's orders are to prolong the war
>> until
>> the world-wide criminal syndicate consisting of the Int'l Bankers such as
>> Rothschilds, Warburgs, and the Zionists both here and in Israel, has
>> another
>> war in place ready to go, whether it is Iran or Sudan. Bush/Cheney has
>> no
>> sense of national loyalty, but are globalists.
>>
>> There is no undertaking more profitable than war, and it is likely that
>> the
>> US/Zionists are supplying the "insurgents" to insure it's continuation,
>> and
>> prevent them from surrendering.
>>
>> The additional objectives are to drain the U.S. Treasury, and transfer
>> the
>> money held in private hands to them and the eventually acquire private
>> property thru foreclosures, etc....
>>
>> The elections are a joke. The entire field of candidates are variations
>> of
>> Bush/Cheney.
>
> Look at how the cheap labor lobby pushes for more immigration to keep
> wages depressed.
> Both major parties pander for this money.
>
Low labor cost translates to lower prices for the goods and services they
sell. Lower prices for the goods and services they sell, means it helps the
poor more than the rich....

mrmcafee(nospam)" <"mrmcafee(nospam)

5/17/2007 11:32:00 PM

0



Jerry Okamura wrote:
>
> "Ted" <tedorn44@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1179362142.169922.191480@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>> On May 16, 10:43 am, "sandman" <sand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sociopathic personalities gravitate toward politics, board rooms of
>>> corporations. Sociopaths (or psychopaths, as they are the same) are
>>> always
>>> good actors. And they are always ruthless and indifferent to human
>>> life.
>>> Scratch the surface of any politician and you will find a Bush/Cheney
>>> beneath.
>>>
>>> The "Surge" is nonsense. Bush/Cheney's orders are to prolong the war
>>> until
>>> the world-wide criminal syndicate consisting of the Int'l Bankers
>>> such as
>>> Rothschilds, Warburgs, and the Zionists both here and in Israel, has
>>> another
>>> war in place ready to go, whether it is Iran or Sudan. Bush/Cheney
>>> has no
>>> sense of national loyalty, but are globalists.
>>>
>>> There is no undertaking more profitable than war, and it is likely
>>> that the
>>> US/Zionists are supplying the "insurgents" to insure it's
>>> continuation, and
>>> prevent them from surrendering.
>>>
>>> The additional objectives are to drain the U.S. Treasury, and
>>> transfer the
>>> money held in private hands to them and the eventually acquire private
>>> property thru foreclosures, etc....
>>>
>>> The elections are a joke. The entire field of candidates are
>>> variations of
>>> Bush/Cheney.
>>
>>
>> Look at how the cheap labor lobby pushes for more immigration to keep
>> wages depressed.
>> Both major parties pander for this money.
>>
> Low labor cost translates to lower prices for the goods and services
> they sell.

Since when? Low labor cost simply enhance profits. Selling price is
determined by what the market will bear.


> Lower prices for the goods and services they sell, means it
> helps the poor more than the rich....

--
*******************
Michael R. McAfee
Mesa, AZ
*******************

Dude

5/18/2007 6:46:00 AM

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mrmcafee(nospam) wrote:
>
>
> Jerry Okamura wrote:
>>
>> "Ted" <tedorn44@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1179362142.169922.191480@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> On May 16, 10:43 am, "sandman" <sand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sociopathic personalities gravitate toward politics, board rooms of
>>>> corporations. Sociopaths (or psychopaths, as they are the same) are
>>>> always
>>>> good actors. And they are always ruthless and indifferent to human
>>>> life.
>>>> Scratch the surface of any politician and you will find a Bush/Cheney
>>>> beneath.
>>>>
>>>> The "Surge" is nonsense. Bush/Cheney's orders are to prolong the
>>>> war until
>>>> the world-wide criminal syndicate consisting of the Int'l Bankers
>>>> such as
>>>> Rothschilds, Warburgs, and the Zionists both here and in Israel, has
>>>> another
>>>> war in place ready to go, whether it is Iran or Sudan. Bush/Cheney
>>>> has no
>>>> sense of national loyalty, but are globalists.
>>>>
>>>> There is no undertaking more profitable than war, and it is likely
>>>> that the
>>>> US/Zionists are supplying the "insurgents" to insure it's
>>>> continuation, and
>>>> prevent them from surrendering.
>>>>
>>>> The additional objectives are to drain the U.S. Treasury, and
>>>> transfer the
>>>> money held in private hands to them and the eventually acquire private
>>>> property thru foreclosures, etc....
>>>>
>>>> The elections are a joke. The entire field of candidates are
>>>> variations of
>>>> Bush/Cheney.
>>>
>>>
>>> Look at how the cheap labor lobby pushes for more immigration to keep
>>> wages depressed.
>>> Both major parties pander for this money.
>>>
>> Low labor cost translates to lower prices for the goods and services
>> they sell.
>
> Since when? Low labor cost simply enhance profits. Selling price is
> determined by what the market will bear.
>
Michael, your medicine is working!

Rudy Canoza

5/18/2007 6:50:00 AM

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mrmcafee(nospam) wrote:
>
>
> Jerry Okamura wrote:
>>
>> "Ted" <tedorn44@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1179362142.169922.191480@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> On May 16, 10:43 am, "sandman" <sand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sociopathic personalities gravitate toward politics, board rooms of
>>>> corporations. Sociopaths (or psychopaths, as they are the same) are
>>>> always
>>>> good actors. And they are always ruthless and indifferent to human
>>>> life.
>>>> Scratch the surface of any politician and you will find a Bush/Cheney
>>>> beneath.
>>>>
>>>> The "Surge" is nonsense. Bush/Cheney's orders are to prolong the
>>>> war until
>>>> the world-wide criminal syndicate consisting of the Int'l Bankers
>>>> such as
>>>> Rothschilds, Warburgs, and the Zionists both here and in Israel, has
>>>> another
>>>> war in place ready to go, whether it is Iran or Sudan. Bush/Cheney
>>>> has no
>>>> sense of national loyalty, but are globalists.
>>>>
>>>> There is no undertaking more profitable than war, and it is likely
>>>> that the
>>>> US/Zionists are supplying the "insurgents" to insure it's
>>>> continuation, and
>>>> prevent them from surrendering.
>>>>
>>>> The additional objectives are to drain the U.S. Treasury, and
>>>> transfer the
>>>> money held in private hands to them and the eventually acquire private
>>>> property thru foreclosures, etc....
>>>>
>>>> The elections are a joke. The entire field of candidates are
>>>> variations of
>>>> Bush/Cheney.
>>>
>>>
>>> Look at how the cheap labor lobby pushes for more immigration to keep
>>> wages depressed.
>>> Both major parties pander for this money.
>>>
>> Low labor cost translates to lower prices for the goods and services
>> they sell.
>
> Since when?

Since forever.


> Low labor cost simply enhance profits.

False.


> Selling price is
> determined by what the market will bear.

*AND* by the suppliers' cost structure. Lower costs
shift the supply curve down, resulting in a lower price.

Study some basic price theory before opening your
ignorant yap.


>> Lower prices for the goods and services they sell, means it helps the
>> poor more than the rich....
>

Jerry Okamura

5/18/2007 5:43:00 PM

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"mrmcafee(nospam)" <"mrmcafee(nospam)"@cox.net> wrote in message
news:VB53i.376393$6P2.156461@newsfe16.phx...
>
>
> Jerry Okamura wrote:
>>
>> "Ted" <tedorn44@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1179362142.169922.191480@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> On May 16, 10:43 am, "sandman" <sand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sociopathic personalities gravitate toward politics, board rooms of
>>>> corporations. Sociopaths (or psychopaths, as they are the same) are
>>>> always
>>>> good actors. And they are always ruthless and indifferent to human
>>>> life.
>>>> Scratch the surface of any politician and you will find a Bush/Cheney
>>>> beneath.
>>>>
>>>> The "Surge" is nonsense. Bush/Cheney's orders are to prolong the war
>>>> until
>>>> the world-wide criminal syndicate consisting of the Int'l Bankers such
>>>> as
>>>> Rothschilds, Warburgs, and the Zionists both here and in Israel, has
>>>> another
>>>> war in place ready to go, whether it is Iran or Sudan. Bush/Cheney has
>>>> no
>>>> sense of national loyalty, but are globalists.
>>>>
>>>> There is no undertaking more profitable than war, and it is likely that
>>>> the
>>>> US/Zionists are supplying the "insurgents" to insure it's continuation,
>>>> and
>>>> prevent them from surrendering.
>>>>
>>>> The additional objectives are to drain the U.S. Treasury, and transfer
>>>> the
>>>> money held in private hands to them and the eventually acquire private
>>>> property thru foreclosures, etc....
>>>>
>>>> The elections are a joke. The entire field of candidates are
>>>> variations of
>>>> Bush/Cheney.
>>>
>>>
>>> Look at how the cheap labor lobby pushes for more immigration to keep
>>> wages depressed.
>>> Both major parties pander for this money.
>>>
>> Low labor cost translates to lower prices for the goods and services they
>> sell.
>
> Since when? Low labor cost simply enhance profits. Selling price is
> determined by what the market will bear.

Fool...

John W. Pierce

5/18/2007 10:13:00 PM

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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>
> Low labor cost translates to lower prices for the goods and services they
> sell. Lower prices for the goods and services they sell, means it helps
> the poor more than the rich....

No, lower labor cost translates to higher profit, not a lower price for the
consumer. The consumer-level price is set at whatever the traffic will bear,
and has little connection to the cost of producing goods or providing
services.


Billzz

5/19/2007 1:13:00 AM

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"John W. Pierce" <jwpretd@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:464e24f7$0$9969$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>
>> Low labor cost translates to lower prices for the goods and services they
>> sell. Lower prices for the goods and services they sell, means it helps
>> the poor more than the rich....
>
> No, lower labor cost translates to higher profit, not a lower price for
> the consumer. The consumer-level price is set at whatever the traffic will
> bear, and has little connection to the cost of producing goods or
> providing services.

Lower labor cost means lower costs of production which means more
competitiveness, in the marketplace. If the same retail pricing structure
is followed, then there may be higher profit, but the marketplace is
self-correcting, and so others gain the same advantage in lower labor cost,
then undercut the "old" price and so the retail price falls, along with the
profits, until an equilibrium is reached.

This week we can place an order in a McDonald's drive-thru and have it sent
around the world to India, then back to the kitchen, fifty feet away. Some
way to escape the minimum-wage law, and don't even have to worry about
health benefits.

Both Milton Friedman and John Galbraith are no longer with us, but they were
at opposite ends of the economic spectrum and it would be really interesting
to read something from them about globalization. Thomas Friedman recently
wrote a book called, "The World is Flat" which is both informative and
frightening. And it just may be a book to read about the subject of lower
labor costs.

I remember the Michael Moore movie, "Roger and Me" and thinking that this
person did not have one single clue as to what was happening in the world.
While he was bemoaning Flint, MI, GM was opening plants in Spring Hill, TN
and Fort Worth, TX. I waited for the interview with the UAW. Nothing. Not
a clue. Or he was a propagandizing opportunist. Naw, that can't be it.

Well, economics is a fascinating subject, but since this is soc.veterans, we
don't talk about it.


mrmcafee(nospam)" <"mrmcafee(nospam)

5/19/2007 1:24:00 AM

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Billzz wrote:
> "John W. Pierce" <jwpretd@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:464e24f7$0$9969$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>>"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
>>
>>>Low labor cost translates to lower prices for the goods and services they
>>>sell. Lower prices for the goods and services they sell, means it helps
>>>the poor more than the rich....
>>
>>No, lower labor cost translates to higher profit, not a lower price for
>>the consumer. The consumer-level price is set at whatever the traffic will
>>bear, and has little connection to the cost of producing goods or
>>providing services.
>
>
> Lower labor cost means lower costs of production which means more
> competitiveness, in the marketplace. If the same retail pricing structure
> is followed, then there may be higher profit, but the marketplace is
> self-correcting, and so others gain the same advantage in lower labor cost,
> then undercut the "old" price and so the retail price falls, along with the
> profits, until an equilibrium is reached.

You used a lot of words to tells us that the selling price is as stated,
what the market will bear. So far as setting the selling price is
concerned, labor cost just don't apply. What labor cost influence is
whether or not you participate in the market. If you can produce a
widget for $1.00 and sell as many as you can produce for $10.00 (but not
$11.00) then the price will be $10.00. If a competitor offers the same
widget for $9.00, and you can no longer sell as many as you can make,
then you match or beat his price. That is a function of "what the market
will bear" and not lower labor cost. Lower labor cost just enable you to
participate longer.

>
> This week we can place an order in a McDonald's drive-thru and have it sent
> around the world to India, then back to the kitchen, fifty feet away. Some
> way to escape the minimum-wage law, and don't even have to worry about
> health benefits.

What a boon for mankind!! (NOT)


>
> Both Milton Friedman and John Galbraith are no longer with us, but they were
> at opposite ends of the economic spectrum and it would be really interesting
> to read something from them about globalization. Thomas Friedman recently
> wrote a book called, "The World is Flat" which is both informative and
> frightening. And it just may be a book to read about the subject of lower
> labor costs.
>
> I remember the Michael Moore movie, "Roger and Me" and thinking that this
> person did not have one single clue as to what was happening in the world.
> While he was bemoaning Flint, MI, GM was opening plants in Spring Hill, TN
> and Fort Worth, TX. I waited for the interview with the UAW. Nothing. Not
> a clue. Or he was a propagandizing opportunist. Naw, that can't be it.
>
> Well, economics is a fascinating subject, but since this is soc.veterans, we
> don't talk about it.
>
>

--
*******************
Michael R. McAfee
Mesa, AZ
*******************

HeyBub

5/19/2007 12:38:00 PM

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Billzz wrote:
> This week we can place an order in a McDonald's drive-thru and have
> it sent around the world to India, then back to the kitchen, fifty
> feet away. Some way to escape the minimum-wage law, and don't even
> have to worry about health benefits.

One wonders if the order-takers are Hindus?

What if the order-taker is a Muslim and refuses my order for
sausage-and-biscuits?

The world wants to know.


Long Ranger

5/19/2007 4:34:00 PM

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"HeyBub" <heybubNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:134trttnl0do87b@news.supernews.com...
> Billzz wrote:
>> This week we can place an order in a McDonald's drive-thru and have
>> it sent around the world to India, then back to the kitchen, fifty
>> feet away. Some way to escape the minimum-wage law, and don't even
>> have to worry about health benefits.
>
> One wonders if the order-takers are Hindus?
>
> What if the order-taker is a Muslim and refuses my order for
> sausage-and-biscuits?
>
> The world wants to know.
>Biscuits and mustard for me..........