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Re: OT (?) - Happy Birtday Joao Gilberto!

JMF

6/11/2016 9:54:00 AM

On 6/10/2016 5:06 PM, phlatpckr@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 3:41:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas Scharkowski wrote:
>>...
>
> And here's the famous song Aquarela do Brasil by Ary Barroso

with Gilberto, Gilberto Gil and Caetano Veloso in their youth

singing together & alternating verses alone while Joao plays

possibly the greatest guitar chordal comp ever recorded.

Absolutely beautiful and hypnotic, I can listen to it all day.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v...
>
> There's lots more of Gilberto on YouTube to explore.

I think it's even more amazing when he's completely solo on the guitar -
that's when the "swing" you talk about really comes out in a big way -
as you said, it's like there are two different people involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U...

John
10 Answers

dsi1

6/11/2016 4:27:00 PM

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On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 11:53:56 PM UTC-10, JMF wrote:
> On 6/10/2016 5:06 PM, phlatpckr@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 3:41:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas Scharkowski wrote:
> >>...
> >
> > And here's the famous song Aquarela do Brasil by Ary Barroso
>
> with Gilberto, Gilberto Gil and Caetano Veloso in their youth
>
> singing together & alternating verses alone while Joao plays
>
> possibly the greatest guitar chordal comp ever recorded.
>
> Absolutely beautiful and hypnotic, I can listen to it all day.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v...
> >
> > There's lots more of Gilberto on YouTube to explore.
>
> I think it's even more amazing when he's completely solo on the guitar -
> that's when the "swing" you talk about really comes out in a big way -
> as you said, it's like there are two different people involved.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U...
>
> John

The Bossa Nova hit the US like a tidal wave back in the early sixties. This gal was well-versed in the style although I believe she's German. Dean Martin says she's "... the most wonderful, talented, young lady I've ever..." He never finished that line so you can fill it in with your dirty mind. Hee hee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A...

phlatpckr

6/11/2016 4:55:00 PM

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On 2016-06-11 16:26:59 +0000, dsi1 said:

> On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 11:53:56 PM UTC-10, JMF wrote:
>> On 6/10/2016 5:06 PM, phlatpckr@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 3:41:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas Scharkowski wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> And here's the famous song Aquarela do Brasil by Ary Barroso
>>
>> with Gilberto, Gilberto Gil and Caetano Veloso in their youth
>>
>> singing together & alternating verses alone while Joao plays
>>
>> possibly the greatest guitar chordal comp ever recorded.
>>
>> Absolutely beautiful and hypnotic, I can listen to it all day.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v...
>>>
>>> There's lots more of Gilberto on YouTube to explore.
>>
>> I think it's even more amazing when he's completely solo on the guitar
>> -> that's when the "swing" you talk about really comes out in a big way
>> -> as you said, it's like there are two different people involved.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U...
>>
>> John
>
> The Bossa Nova hit the US like a tidal wave back in the early sixties.
> This gal was well-versed in the style although I believe she's German.
> Dean Martin says she's "... the most wonderful, talented, young lady
> I've ever..." He never finished that line so you can fill it in with
> your dirty mind. Hee hee.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A...

Yes thanks for that! It's Caterina Valente, she's Italian and still
alive at 85 (same age as Joao Gilberto now) Very charming talented
singer & performer and she sure knows her bossa guitar chords!

I'm surprised Dean being one of The Rat Pack played silly on that tune
with her while Sinatra literally absorbed and made the style his own
when he recorded those two bossa albums with Jobim. This is such a
great video of two giants; the bossa version of Irving Berlin's Change
Partners is just fab - definitely no beautiful music and lyrics like
these medley of songs being written these days anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...

Andrew Schulman

6/11/2016 6:24:00 PM

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On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 12:55:25 PM UTC-4, Phlatpckr wrote:
> I'm surprised Dean being one of The Rat Pack played silly on that tune
> with her while Sinatra literally absorbed and made the style his own
> when he recorded those two bossa albums with Jobim. This is such a
> great video of two giants; the bossa version of Irving Berlin's Change
> Partners is just fab - definitely no beautiful music and lyrics like
> these medley of songs being written these days anymore
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...

A crucial background to Bossa Nova style is the singing and playing, especially the singing, of Chet Baker. He was a big influence in the 1950s to the Brazilian musicians, especially Gilberto, who created Bossa Nova. This is a superb book about this music, when I was released it was the only book originally written in English on the topic. https://www.amazon.com/Bossa-Nova-Story-Brazilian-Seduced/dp/...

So, going to Sinatra was bringing something full circle.

Andrew

dsi1

6/11/2016 8:09:00 PM

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On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 6:55:25 AM UTC-10, Phlatpckr wrote:
> On 2016-06-11 16:26:59 +0000, dsi1 said:
>
> > On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 11:53:56 PM UTC-10, JMF wrote:
> >> On 6/10/2016 5:06 PM, phlatpckr@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 3:41:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas Scharkowski wrote:
> >>>> ...
> >>>
> >>> And here's the famous song Aquarela do Brasil by Ary Barroso
> >>
> >> with Gilberto, Gilberto Gil and Caetano Veloso in their youth
> >>
> >> singing together & alternating verses alone while Joao plays
> >>
> >> possibly the greatest guitar chordal comp ever recorded.
> >>
> >> Absolutely beautiful and hypnotic, I can listen to it all day.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v...
> >>>
> >>> There's lots more of Gilberto on YouTube to explore.
> >>
> >> I think it's even more amazing when he's completely solo on the guitar
> >> -> that's when the "swing" you talk about really comes out in a big way
> >> -> as you said, it's like there are two different people involved.
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U...
> >>
> >> John
> >
> > The Bossa Nova hit the US like a tidal wave back in the early sixties.
> > This gal was well-versed in the style although I believe she's German.
> > Dean Martin says she's "... the most wonderful, talented, young lady
> > I've ever..." He never finished that line so you can fill it in with
> > your dirty mind. Hee hee.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A...
>
> Yes thanks for that! It's Caterina Valente, she's Italian and still
> alive at 85 (same age as Joao Gilberto now) Very charming talented
> singer & performer and she sure knows her bossa guitar chords!
>
> I'm surprised Dean being one of The Rat Pack played silly on that tune
> with her while Sinatra literally absorbed and made the style his own
> when he recorded those two bossa albums with Jobim. This is such a
> great video of two giants; the bossa version of Irving Berlin's Change
> Partners is just fab - definitely no beautiful music and lyrics like
> these medley of songs being written these days anymore
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...

I have to confess that I knew nothing about Sinatra's Bossa Nova phase. Great video. Two cool guys with Sinatra picking tobacco out of his teeth and brushing ashes off his pants.

Andrew Schulman

6/11/2016 9:17:00 PM

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On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:09:03 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> I have to confess that I knew nothing about Sinatra's Bossa Nova phase. Great video. Two cool guys with Sinatra picking tobacco out of his teeth and brushing ashes off his pants.

Yes, that's a really great performance.

A.

dsi1

6/11/2016 10:56:00 PM

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On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 11:17:22 AM UTC-10, Andrew Schulman wrote:
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:09:03 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > I have to confess that I knew nothing about Sinatra's Bossa Nova phase. Great video. Two cool guys with Sinatra picking tobacco out of his teeth and brushing ashes off his pants.
>
> Yes, that's a really great performance.
>
> A.

Sinatra reminds me of my teacher during lessons. He'd sit cross legged like that smoking Marlboros, carefully observing me with an amused look on his face. It's probably one of the more unique teaching methods out there.

phlatpckr

6/12/2016 4:16:00 AM

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On 2016-06-11 09:53:55 +0000, JMF said:

> On 6/10/2016 5:06 PM, phlatpckr@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 3:41:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas Scharkowski wrote:
>>> ...
>>
>> And here's the famous song Aquarela do Brasil by Ary Barroso
>
> with Gilberto, Gilberto Gil and Caetano Veloso in their youth
>
> singing together & alternating verses alone while Joao plays
>
> possibly the greatest guitar chordal comp ever recorded.
>
> Absolutely beautiful and hypnotic, I can listen to it all day.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v...
>>
>> There's lots more of Gilberto on YouTube to explore.
>
> I think it's even more amazing when he's completely solo on the guitar
> - that's when the "swing" you talk about really comes out in a big way
> - as you said, it's like there are two different people involved.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U...
>
> John

Thanks John - Wow never seen that video before, thanks for sharing the
link, fabulous! I think the only to learn how to comp like Joao is to
learn the chords first and write them down, maybe play along with a
little light bossa beat on a cheap keyboard or something and then when
you have the rhythm steady internalized and really a part of you try to
sing over it freely. It's not easy, most of the bossa crooners I hear
sing pretty straight and conventional over the chord changes. Joao is
able to stretch and pull phrases in his singing offbeat while his
comping rhythm remains steady, I guess that's what makes him the genius
and inventor of bossa nova.

This instrumental tune Joao wrote Um Abraco No Bonfa (A Hug For Bonfa)
is a favorite of mine, I love how you hear even the inner voices of the
chords create little melodic ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H...

phlatpckr

6/12/2016 4:44:00 AM

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On 2016-06-11 18:24:12 +0000, Andrew Schulman said:

> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 12:55:25 PM UTC-4, Phlatpckr wrote:> I'm
> surprised Dean being one of The Rat Pack played silly on that tune>
> with her while Sinatra literally absorbed and made the style his own>
> when he recorded those two bossa albums with Jobim. This is such a>
> great video of two giants; the bossa version of Irving Berlin's Change>
> Partners is just fab - definitely no beautiful music and lyrics like>
> these medley of songs being written these days anymore
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...
>
> A crucial background to Bossa Nova style is the singing and playing,
> especially the singing, of Chet Baker. He was a big influence in the
> 1950s to the Brazilian musicians, especially Gilberto, who created
> Bossa Nova. This is a superb book about this music, when I was released
> it was the only book originally written in English on the topic.
> https://www.amazon.com/Bossa-Nova-Story-Brazilian-Seduced/dp/...
>
> So, going to Sinatra was bringing something full circle.
>
> Andrew

Andrew thanks for the book recommendation, I just downloaded it to my
Kindle, looks like a great read. Apparently it's a translation from the
original Portugese.

Poor Chet Baker what a tough life that guy had. I can definitely
see/hear how his feathery light vocals and cool west coast style were a
big influence on Gilberto.

JMF

6/12/2016 7:40:00 AM

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On 6/12/2016 6:15 AM, Phlatpckr wrote:
> On 2016-06-11 09:53:55 +0000, JMF said:
>
>> On 6/10/2016 5:06 PM, phlatpckr@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 3:41:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas Scharkowski wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> And here's the famous song Aquarela do Brasil by Ary Barroso
>>
>> with Gilberto, Gilberto Gil and Caetano Veloso in their youth
>>
>> singing together & alternating verses alone while Joao plays
>>
>> possibly the greatest guitar chordal comp ever recorded.
>>
>> Absolutely beautiful and hypnotic, I can listen to it all day.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v...
>>>
>>> There's lots more of Gilberto on YouTube to explore.
>>
>> I think it's even more amazing when he's completely solo on the guitar
>> - that's when the "swing" you talk about really comes out in a big way
>> - as you said, it's like there are two different people involved.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U...
>>
>> John
>
> Thanks John - Wow never seen that video before, thanks for sharing the
> link, fabulous! I think the only to learn how to comp like Joao is to
> learn the chords first and write them down, maybe play along with a
> little light bossa beat on a cheap keyboard or something and then when
> you have the rhythm steady internalized and really a part of you try to
> sing over it freely. It's not easy, most of the bossa crooners I hear
> sing pretty straight and conventional over the chord changes. Joao is
> able to stretch and pull phrases in his singing offbeat while his
> comping rhythm remains steady, I guess that's what makes him the genius
> and inventor of bossa nova.

I think your analysis is probably right on. I can't imagine another way
to learn it. And it's supported by the description in the book Andrew
mentioned (I've been reading it for the second time recently). You'll be
especially happy with the book because in many ways it's mostly about
Joao Gilberto, even more than the others like Jobim. It follows him all
the way from the beginning. And it talks about Joao spending time
"perfecting his way of playing." Which implies that he had a specific
vision of what he was looking for and worked to implement it.

(By the way, the reviews of that book are interesting - some accuse it
of being too much "gossip" rather than serious writing. Maybe, but it's
still very informative.)

And consider getting that book about Jobim written by his sister Helena.
(One interesting thing I learned in it was that the song "Dindi", which
everybody assumed was about the singer Sylvia Telles, was actually about
the beautiful nature in the Dirindi area surrounding Jobim's house.)


> This instrumental tune Joao wrote Um Abraco No Bonfa (A Hug For Bonfa)
> is a favorite of mine, I love how you hear even the inner voices of the
> chords create little melodic ideas.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H...
>

That video should convince anybody that Joao is not just a great singer
but also a great guitar player, in case there were any doubts.

John

Andrew Schulman

6/12/2016 5:50:00 PM

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On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 12:43:42 AM UTC-4, Phlatpckr wrote:
> ...Apparently it's a translation from the
> original Portugese.
>
Yup, I misremembered, I bought the hard cover when it came out and maybe it was that at the time it was the only book in English about the history of Bossa Nova.

A.