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Bob Schieffer nails it.

Harry Hope

7/17/2005 9:28:00 PM


http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face...

July 17, 2005

SCHIEFFER:

Finally, some personal thoughts on today's discussion.

Instead of appointing a special prosecutor, what if the president had
just called in his top people in the beginning of all this and said,
`Folks, we have a problem here. I need to know who's been talking to
Bob Novak, and I need to know today by the end of business'?

That's what presidents used to do, and they're usually pretty good at
finding out when they really want to know.

Not many people had the nerve to lie to Lyndon Johnson when he looked
them in the eye, and Richard Nixon figured out early on who Deep
Throat was, and now we know from Woodward and Bernstein that on that
one Nixon was right.

Instead, this White House did what it usually does when challenged:

It went into attack mode, called charges that the White House had
leaked the name ridiculous, and allowed the controversy to boil until
a special prosecutor had to be appointed.

Now two years and millions of tax dollars later, the president's
trusted friend and strategist Karl Rove has emerged as the top
suspect, and we're left to wonder:

Can anything said from the White House podium be taken at face value,
or does the White House just deny automatically anything that reflects
badly on it?

This could and should have been dealt with inside the White House long
before it reached the special prosecutor level.

Instead, the president's people followed the modern public relations
rule, `Never admit a mistake, just do what is necessary to kill the
story before it kills you,' which often works.

What they are learning, though, is that when that involves tearing
down the character of your critics, it can also be very dangerous
business.

That's it for us.

We'll see you next week right here on FACE THE NATION.

___________________________________________________

Harry
52 Answers

Harry Dope

7/17/2005 9:38:00 PM

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Lets bring out the nails and burning crosses, EH HARRY? Lets crucify
Mr. Rove without a trial or evidence against him right HARRY? Lets bury Karl
rove based on nothing.







--
.. . . . Gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson
tells the New York Post that supporting
President Clinton was "one of my greatest
tactical errors in politics."
. . . . "I don't want to go down in history or
have my son read that his father endorsed
Clinton two times," Mr. Thompson said.
. . . . "I had no idea what a treacherous
bastard he really is. I'm shocked he went so
low. You'd think after grappling with Richard
Nixon that you would know where the low road
is, ... but Clinton's treachery is really
sleazy. It's his character defects. I think
Clinton will prove to be one of the great
fascists of our time."

"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face...
>
> July 17, 2005
>
> SCHIEFFER:
>
> Finally, some personal thoughts on today's discussion.
>
> Instead of appointing a special prosecutor, what if the president had
> just called in his top people in the beginning of all this and said,
> `Folks, we have a problem here. I need to know who's been talking to
> Bob Novak, and I need to know today by the end of business'?
>
> That's what presidents used to do, and they're usually pretty good at
> finding out when they really want to know.
>
> Not many people had the nerve to lie to Lyndon Johnson when he looked
> them in the eye, and Richard Nixon figured out early on who Deep
> Throat was, and now we know from Woodward and Bernstein that on that
> one Nixon was right.
>
> Instead, this White House did what it usually does when challenged:
>
> It went into attack mode, called charges that the White House had
> leaked the name ridiculous, and allowed the controversy to boil until
> a special prosecutor had to be appointed.
>
> Now two years and millions of tax dollars later, the president's
> trusted friend and strategist Karl Rove has emerged as the top
> suspect, and we're left to wonder:
>
> Can anything said from the White House podium be taken at face value,
> or does the White House just deny automatically anything that reflects
> badly on it?
>
> This could and should have been dealt with inside the White House long
> before it reached the special prosecutor level.
>
> Instead, the president's people followed the modern public relations
> rule, `Never admit a mistake, just do what is necessary to kill the
> story before it kills you,' which often works.
>
> What they are learning, though, is that when that involves tearing
> down the character of your critics, it can also be very dangerous
> business.
>
> That's it for us.
>
> We'll see you next week right here on FACE THE NATION.
>
> ___________________________________________________
>
> Harry
>



needham

7/17/2005 9:42:00 PM

0


"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:sajld19posdv5f4p8at2400vsd820crb93@4ax.com...
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face...
>
> July 17, 2005
>
> SCHIEFFER:
>
> Finally, some personal thoughts on today's discussion.
>
> Instead of appointing a special prosecutor, what if the president had
> just called in his top people in the beginning of all this and said,
> `Folks, we have a problem here. I need to know who's been talking to
> Bob Novak, and I need to know today by the end of business'?
>
> That's what presidents used to do, and they're usually pretty good at
> finding out when they really want to know.

Tell us again how KKKlintoon with Harold Ickies, Blumenfall and the rest of
his cronies conducted their war room activies, there hairy...

And you wonder why some many find it so easy to unravel Liberal Media
Bias....

BWHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHHAHAHAA...

LN




> Not many people had the nerve to lie to Lyndon Johnson when he looked
> them in the eye, and Richard Nixon figured out early on who Deep
> Throat was, and now we know from Woodward and Bernstein that on that
> one Nixon was right.
>
> Instead, this White House did what it usually does when challenged:
>
> It went into attack mode, called charges that the White House had
> leaked the name ridiculous, and allowed the controversy to boil until
> a special prosecutor had to be appointed.
>
> Now two years and millions of tax dollars later, the president's
> trusted friend and strategist Karl Rove has emerged as the top
> suspect, and we're left to wonder:
>
> Can anything said from the White House podium be taken at face value,
> or does the White House just deny automatically anything that reflects
> badly on it?
>
> This could and should have been dealt with inside the White House long
> before it reached the special prosecutor level.
>
> Instead, the president's people followed the modern public relations
> rule, `Never admit a mistake, just do what is necessary to kill the
> story before it kills you,' which often works.
>
> What they are learning, though, is that when that involves tearing
> down the character of your critics, it can also be very dangerous
> business.
>
> That's it for us.
>
> We'll see you next week right here on FACE THE NATION.
>
> ___________________________________________________
>
> Harry


Fred

7/17/2005 9:48:00 PM

0

Harry Dope wrote:
>
> Lets bring out the nails and burning crosses, EH HARRY? Lets crucify
> Mr. Rove without a trial or evidence against him right HARRY? Lets bury Karl
> rove based on nothing.

nothing?

abracadabra

7/17/2005 9:51:00 PM

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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:sajld19posdv5f4p8at2400vsd820crb93@4ax.com...
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face...
>
> July 17, 2005
>
> SCHIEFFER:
>
> Finally, some personal thoughts on today's discussion.
>
> Instead of appointing a special prosecutor, what if the president had
> just called in his top people in the beginning of all this and said,
> `Folks, we have a problem here. I need to know who's been talking to
> Bob Novak, and I need to know today by the end of business'?
>
> That's what presidents used to do, and they're usually pretty good at
> finding out when they really want to know.
>
> Not many people had the nerve to lie to Lyndon Johnson when he looked
> them in the eye, and Richard Nixon figured out early on who Deep
> Throat was, and now we know from Woodward and Bernstein that on that
> one Nixon was right.
>
> Instead, this White House did what it usually does when challenged:
>
> It went into attack mode, called charges that the White House had
> leaked the name ridiculous, and allowed the controversy to boil until
> a special prosecutor had to be appointed.
>
> Now two years and millions of tax dollars later, the president's
> trusted friend and strategist Karl Rove has emerged as the top
> suspect, and we're left to wonder:
>
> Can anything said from the White House podium be taken at face value,
> or does the White House just deny automatically anything that reflects
> badly on it?
>
> This could and should have been dealt with inside the White House long
> before it reached the special prosecutor level.
>
> Instead, the president's people followed the modern public relations
> rule, `Never admit a mistake, just do what is necessary to kill the
> story before it kills you,' which often works.
>
> What they are learning, though, is that when that involves tearing
> down the character of your critics, it can also be very dangerous
> business.
>
> That's it for us.

Nailed it shut - great post.



abracadabra

7/17/2005 9:51:00 PM

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"Harry Dope" <HD@earthlink.com> wrote in message
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>
> Lets bring out the nails and burning crosses, EH HARRY? Lets crucify
> Mr. Rove without a trial or evidence against him right HARRY? Lets bury
> Karl rove based on nothing.

Rove admitted to revealing the identity of the agent - what more do you need
asshole?


F

7/17/2005 9:52:00 PM

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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:sajld19posdv5f4p8at2400vsd820crb93@4ax.com...
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face...
>
> July 17, 2005
>
> SCHIEFFER:
>
> Finally, some personal thoughts on today's discussion.
>
> Instead of appointing a special prosecutor, what if the president had
> just called in his top people in the beginning of all this and said,
> `Folks, we have a problem here. I need to know who's been talking to
> Bob Novak, and I need to know today by the end of business'?
>
> That's what presidents used to do, and they're usually pretty good at
> finding out when they really want to know.
>
> Not many people had the nerve to lie to Lyndon Johnson when he looked
> them in the eye, and Richard Nixon figured out early on who Deep
> Throat was, and now we know from Woodward and Bernstein that on that
> one Nixon was right.
>
> Instead, this White House did what it usually does when challenged:
>
> It went into attack mode, called charges that the White House had
> leaked the name ridiculous, and allowed the controversy to boil until
> a special prosecutor had to be appointed.
>
> Now two years and millions of tax dollars later, the president's
> trusted friend and strategist Karl Rove has emerged as the top
> suspect, and we're left to wonder:
>
> Can anything said from the White House podium be taken at face value,
> or does the White House just deny automatically anything that reflects
> badly on it?
>
> This could and should have been dealt with inside the White House long
> before it reached the special prosecutor level.
>
> Instead, the president's people followed the modern public relations
> rule, `Never admit a mistake, just do what is necessary to kill the
> story before it kills you,' which often works.
>
> What they are learning, though, is that when that involves tearing
> down the character of your critics, it can also be very dangerous
> business.
>
> That's it for us.
>
> We'll see you next week right here on FACE THE NATION.
>
> ___________________________________________________
>
> Harry


It's nice to know that Bob Schieffer is unbiased.


needham

7/17/2005 10:06:00 PM

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"raz" <f@f.f> wrote in message
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>
> "Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:sajld19posdv5f4p8at2400vsd820crb93@4ax.com...
>>
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face...
>>
>> July 17, 2005
>>
>> SCHIEFFER:
>>
>> Finally, some personal thoughts on today's discussion.
>>
>> Instead of appointing a special prosecutor, what if the president had
>> just called in his top people in the beginning of all this and said,
>> `Folks, we have a problem here. I need to know who's been talking to
>> Bob Novak, and I need to know today by the end of business'?
>>
>> That's what presidents used to do, and they're usually pretty good at
>> finding out when they really want to know.
>>
>> Not many people had the nerve to lie to Lyndon Johnson when he looked
>> them in the eye, and Richard Nixon figured out early on who Deep
>> Throat was, and now we know from Woodward and Bernstein that on that
>> one Nixon was right.
>>
>> Instead, this White House did what it usually does when challenged:
>>
>> It went into attack mode, called charges that the White House had
>> leaked the name ridiculous, and allowed the controversy to boil until
>> a special prosecutor had to be appointed.
>>
>> Now two years and millions of tax dollars later, the president's
>> trusted friend and strategist Karl Rove has emerged as the top
>> suspect, and we're left to wonder:
>>
>> Can anything said from the White House podium be taken at face value,
>> or does the White House just deny automatically anything that reflects
>> badly on it?
>>
>> This could and should have been dealt with inside the White House long
>> before it reached the special prosecutor level.
>>
>> Instead, the president's people followed the modern public relations
>> rule, `Never admit a mistake, just do what is necessary to kill the
>> story before it kills you,' which often works.
>>
>> What they are learning, though, is that when that involves tearing
>> down the character of your critics, it can also be very dangerous
>> business.
>>
>> That's it for us.
>>
>> We'll see you next week right here on FACE THE NATION.
>>
>> ___________________________________________________
>>
>> Harry
>
>
> It's nice to know that Bob Schieffer is unbiased.


To liberals he is....

But then again objectivity obviously engenders subjective connotations to
the liberal media, either that or they are purposeful propagandists....

LN


Randy Cox

7/17/2005 10:18:00 PM

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"abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Harry Dope" <HD@earthlink.com> wrote in message
> news:GcACe.6246$oj4.199838@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>>
>> Lets bring out the nails and burning crosses, EH HARRY? Lets crucify
>> Mr. Rove without a trial or evidence against him right HARRY? Lets bury
>> Karl rove based on nothing.
>
> Rove admitted to revealing the identity of the agent - what more do you
> need asshole?

Dennis Rader admitted to killing ten people--what more do you need?

How about a little personal responsibility.

Randy R. Cox


Tempest

7/17/2005 10:52:00 PM

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abracadabra wrote:
> "Harry Dope" <HD@earthlink.com> wrote in message
> news:GcACe.6246$oj4.199838@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>
>> Lets bring out the nails and burning crosses, EH HARRY? Lets crucify
>>Mr. Rove without a trial or evidence against him right HARRY? Lets bury
>>Karl rove based on nothing.
>
>
> Rove admitted to revealing the identity of the agent - what more do you need
> asshole?


Cooper wrote a column today in which he said what he told the grand jury.

He told the grand jury Rove was the leak.



--
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do,
because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."
- Susan B. Anthony, 1896

MonkeyHawk

7/17/2005 11:03:00 PM

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<needham@syix.com> wrote in message
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>>> SCHIEFFER:
>>>
>>> Finally, some personal thoughts on today's discussion.
>>>
>>> Instead of appointing a special prosecutor, what if the president had
>>> just called in his top people in the beginning of all this and said,
>>> `Folks, we have a problem here. I need to know who's been talking to
>>> Bob Novak, and I need to know today by the end of business'?
>>>
>>> That's what presidents used to do, and they're usually pretty good at
>>> finding out when they really want to know.
>>>
>>> Not many people had the nerve to lie to Lyndon Johnson when he looked
>>> them in the eye, and Richard Nixon figured out early on who Deep
>>> Throat was, and now we know from Woodward and Bernstein that on that
>>> one Nixon was right.
>>>
>>> Instead, this White House did what it usually does when challenged:
>>>
>>> It went into attack mode, called charges that the White House had
>>> leaked the name ridiculous, and allowed the controversy to boil until
>>> a special prosecutor had to be appointed.
>>>
>>> Now two years and millions of tax dollars later, the president's
>>> trusted friend and strategist Karl Rove has emerged as the top
>>> suspect, and we're left to wonder:
>>>
>>> Can anything said from the White House podium be taken at face value,
>>> or does the White House just deny automatically anything that reflects
>>> badly on it?
>>>
>>> This could and should have been dealt with inside the White House long
>>> before it reached the special prosecutor level.
>>>
>>> Instead, the president's people followed the modern public relations
>>> rule, `Never admit a mistake, just do what is necessary to kill the
>>> story before it kills you,' which often works.
>>>
>>> What they are learning, though, is that when that involves tearing
>>> down the character of your critics, it can also be very dangerous
>>> business.
>>>
>>> That's it for us.
>>>
>>> We'll see you next week right here on FACE THE NATION.
>>>
>>> ___________________________________________________
>>>
>>> Harry
>>
>> It's nice to know that Bob Schieffer is unbiased.
>
> To liberals he is....
>
> But then again objectivity obviously engenders subjective connotations to
> the liberal media, either that or they are purposeful propagandists....

God, you guys are sheep. Stupid, predictable, bleaters. You see something
from CBS and automatically bray, "Liberal! Liberal!" You just don't get
it.

It's not "liberal" or "conservative" issues or ideologies Schieffer is
talking about. It's leadership. It's the President's mettle. It's at the
core of any moral authority George W. Bush hopes to have for the next three
years.

Too bad it's not Karl Rove directing how this cynical White House would
handle this scandal if Rove himself weren't at its epicenter. Shrub would
come out like Claude Rains ("Shocked! Shocked! To learn there's *leaking*
going on in the White House!") And he'd fire Rove. Rove is a campaign
apparatchik. He's a campaign shark; unable to live unless he's moving
forward to the next kill. Bush doesn't have another campaign to fix.
Rove's in the wrong job, anyway: fire his ass! -- (Rove, of course, would
open his own firm, run the 1996 congressional campaigns, make a shitoad of
money and write a book. He'd still be only a phone call away from the West
Wing.) Bush could prattle on about his deep regard for loyalty.
Bush-style, anyway. Shrub could say, "I promised I'd fire any leaker and
I'm saddened to learn it was such a good friend. Karl's intentions were
good, he just stepped up to -- maybe over the line -- but he lied when he
was asked if he was the leakier...."

Bush would then elevate Scott McClellan to Rove's old job; a reward for
McClellan's good leaker in the wake of Rove's lies to him in the service to
the Chief.

Then Bush should announce his Supreme Court nominee.

The story becomes one of Shrub's "management style," of "a man setting out
to make a mark on history." The war will be pushed even further into the
background, a moderate-conservative -- one the Democrats won't have the
oomph to Bork -- named to the court.

But since it's Rove out to save Rove's ass, the Bushevics are throwing up a
wall of flak: smears, parsing sentences, stretching legalisms, "it's because
Karl's gay" misdirection...

This isn't about conservative or liberal policy.

This is about power.

George WMD Bush is demonstrating he has no talent for it.